Did TARP Prevent a Financial Collapse of World Economies?

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By Lions Den Media

Just Keep Talking - Eventually they Buy It

You have a guy that cannot run Turbo Tax but you believe he can run a $2 trillion economy? Brilliant!
You have a guy that cannot run Turbo Tax but you believe he can run a $2 trillion economy? Brilliant!

TARP Prevented an Economic Recovery

Obama claimed in his State of the Union speech that he stopped global financial Armageddon AND made a profit for the American taxpayer by implementing the Trouble Asset Relief Program (TARP), which cost the tax payer 700 billion dollars. Ben Bernanke, Chairman of the Federal Reserve, also makes this claim together with the former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson (former CEO of Goldman Sachs) and current Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, in that the taxpayer has made a handsome profit. Even Warren Buffet has also claimed that TARP saved the world.

Did TARP really do anything other than extend and deepen the severity of the financial crisis that continues to be of grave concern in 2012 not only in the United States, but in Europe as well? Did TARP actually save the U.S. auto industry from bankruptcy or did it save U.S. union auto manufacturing jobs? Was there really a financial crisis or was it merely a crisis of competent leadership?

When the government is controlling the accounting methods it is difficult to determine where the reality turns into fantasy. Obama declared there was a profit made and it was due, as he claims, to his superior management skills. It is most unfortunate that we live in a time of political doublespeak in which failure is depicted as success and success is aggressively portrayed as failure.

The facts prove that the success of TARP is in the fantasies woven in the minds of children claiming to be America’s leading prophets and financial wizards. Yet these same prophets declare ignorance in foreseeing the financial collapse. And the financial wizards all proclaimed that they were immune from financial reckoning. So we in effect take the words of those responsible for creating the problem and expect them to fix it.

So if we are to believe the problem makers it is like asking the ignorant, which is what these people you call leaders have proven to be, to fix something of their creation, especially given that they did not know they were creating, tends to lead to esoteric solutions.

These solutions are usually so convoluted that they are worse than the original problem. And in order to escape responsibility the ignorant make accusations that something far worse is going to befall society. This takes the focus away from the ignorant responsible in order to focus on a nonexistent problem. And that ladies and gentlemen was how the TARP tar baby was born.

The other possibility for how the TARP tar baby was created could be explained by the fact that the bankers new they had bad loans and created mass hysteria in order to create a scenario in which the government bureaucrats would blindly follow. This would permit banks to offload bad loans to the government, which they did via Freddie and Fannie, whilst also making a little profit by taking free government money.

The government devised and forced a strategy on to the banks forcing them to get even bigger than they were prior to being “Too Big to Fail” through buyouts, such as in the case of Bank of America and Merrill Lynch. In pursuing this strategy, banks were able to buyout competitors with taxpayer money and have the acquisition backed up by the full faith and credit of the government. Banks like Goldman Sachs, who wanted their chief competitors out of the way told the government not to bail them out, hence Lehman is allowed to fail in the largest bank failure in American history.

Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase (now the largest bank), recently claimed in an interview with Charlie Gasparino (FOX Business reporter and author) that TARP worked. But why wouldn’t he make that claim – his company benefited from receiving $25 billion in free money, even during a time when he claimed his bank was in a secure stable financial position.

Aside from the numerous constitutional issues brought about by the actions taken by the federal government in bailing out private corporations with taxpayer money, the TARP money was approved by Congress based on a fraudulent claim, by the Treasury Secretary and Ben Bernanke, that the money was to be uses in buying “troubled assets”.

One known fact is that the $25 billion profit claim by Obama is a fallacy. Also, not all of the appropriated $700 billion in bailout money was used. The money was not used for troubled (toxic) assets, but rather everything else -- to include funding mergers and buyouts of competitors. And it is well documented that the bailouts did not prevent companies from filing bankruptcy.

In addition banks moved many of their toxic assets/mortgages over to Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Essentially the banks transferred cancerous assets to Freddie and Fannie, which placed the bad assets with the taxpayer with a total cost of $148 billion to date. In addition, it is estimated that Freddie and Fannie will need another $215 billion just to keep these government failures alive.

Based on financial analysis of the current accounting facts, Freddie and Fannie could result in costing the taxpayer $363 billion. Therefore, if we take the current known figure of $148 billion and subtract the illusionary $25 billion profit, the reality is that the TARP cost taxpayers at least $123 billion, with a potential loss of $338 billion.

Similarly, the General Motors bailout of over $18 billion which was done under the Bush Administration, Obama took credit for GM regaining the world’s number 1 auto maker. To begin with the bailout did not prevent GM from going bankrupt, so the government did waste $18 billion because GM finally filed for bankruptcy, because of unsustainable union contracts and benefits. In fact Obama took credit for saving Detroit, which is now itself facing bankruptcy.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/17/facing-bankrupcy-detroit-mayor-calls-for-wage-cuts-corporate-tax-increase/

GM emerged from the fastest bankruptcy in history -- 40 days. How GM managed the bankruptcy was quite simple. The federal government most likely gave the bankruptcy judge some gentile suggestions. In fact I would like to see where this judge is today. However, GM was permitted to form another entity that had noting to do with GM and use this holding company to hold toxic assets.

Obama also claimed that General Motors paid off the TARP bailout money with interest, which is a false claim. GM did pay off the TARP money, but did so with capital from taxpayer loans in another account.

Another claim Obama made and took credit for was the return of GM to the number one car manufacturer. This number one ranking includes 1.27 million cars that were sold in China by companies that GM joint ventured with and hold only a 25 percent stake. Therefore, it would seem reasonable that only 25 percent of the total number of cars sold should count.

In addition, Volkswagen is complaining because GM counts their truck sales and they do not. When accounting for the 1.27 million autos sold in China, which includes truck sales, coupled with the Volkswagen’s inclusion of truck sales -- GM is really NOT the number one auto maker.

Furthermore, Obama verbosely proclaimed that GM and Chrysler were back due to his (Obama’s) leadership, but yet GM still owes taxpayers $25 billion. However, the one shining example of true American capitalism, Ford whom is profitable and did not take bailout money, was not mentioned once by Obama. And it is this way of thinking that illustrates the government’s position, especially the thought process of a communist idealist like Obama, in that a company that is unprofitable and in debt over $25 billion is considered a successful.

With respect to Obama’s claim that the TARP prevented the economic collapse of the American financial system is substantively flawed. When the Treasury Secretary and Fed Chairman spoke to Congress the allegation was that the capitalist system would collapse without an “immediate” cash flow injection into the system in order to prevent a the seizing of credit markets and intra-bank lending.

The problem, as dictated by Hank Paulson, that required “immediate” congressional action was predicated on the assumption that the financial system was facing imminent collapse within “days” not weeks. Paulson, Geithner and Bernanke all claimed that without a government backed bailout of $700 billion within days, the economies of the world would collapse.

It took a couple of weeks for the $700 billion to be approved by Congress and according to a report by the Special Inspector General Troubled Asset Relief Program(SIGTARP)to date the government loaned out $413 billion.

If the TARP program was such an urgent need to prevent bank failures, which according to the FDIC there were 92 failed banks in 2011, down from the 157 failures in 2010 and 140 failures in 2009, then it would stand to reason that there would have been fewer bank failures during this period.

Furthermore, even with the bailout credit markets froze and are still frozen and businesses could not obtain loans and still cannot. Banks would not lend money to businesses for inventory and payroll. The money that banks were given via TARP in many cases went to buying out a competitor as opposed to lending the money to customers. For example, Key bank bought out its primary rival National City Bank for $5.58 billion within days of obtaining taxpayer bailout money.

This obviously raises the question that if the banks were in such financial distress, would they not have been seeking to sell assets to raise cash levels or hoard the bailout funds if indeed they were in financial trouble? Under any normal business practices a company under financial duress does not acquire other companies.

And under circumstances of financial instability, whereupon a particular industry is on the verge of collapse, companies do not seek to make acquisitions of those assets. The risk of acquiring such distressed assets, especially a conservative commercial bank, during a period of chaos creates unknown risks that companies have a fiduciary responsibility to protect shareholders from.

In order for anything to be considered a success it must be evaluated against historical terms. One of the measures is the number of bank failures prior to the bank bailout. In 2003 there were a total of 3 failures. 2004 claimed 4 banks and 2005 thru 2006 resulted in no bank foreclosures. And in 2007, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, there were 3 failed banks. Therefore, during a similar time period there were nearly 400 bank failures after TARP as opposed to merely 10 bank failures between 2003 through 2007.

In conclusion, for anyone to make an intellectually based argument supporting the claim that TARP prevented financial Armageddon and that Obama was the Black Knight in shining armor riding his trusty white steed into battle, is devoid of any gray matter was so ever. It is quite clear that had there been strong competent leadership well schooled in the knowledge of capitalism and believed in the fundamental underpinnings of the American financial system, as opposed to the timid bleeding heart liberal progressives that fundamentally misunderstand capitalism, America and its citizenry would be far stronger and in exceedingly healthier financial condition than this cluster f**k Obama claims is a success.




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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure Obama was behind the grassy knoll in Dallas,and was behind the Roswell coverup, too. But before you blame Obama for anything else, make sure you know a little recent history, please:

"The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008"

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Brupie Level 2 Commenter 3 months ago

You're absolutely right! If we had only let the major banks collapse, the economy would be much better off.

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Brupie and AKA:

Never mind that, as I will show in a "Crash Piece", that the "%1" that Lion's acts as a "repeater" for that a collapse might be what they wanted. . .

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 3 months ago

TPC -- what have I told you about crack? I have no idea what you are talking about and unfortunately neither do you apparently. A "repeater" WTF is that. Yes a collapse is what progressive socialists and communists want. These people want to collapse the capitalist system. Bush was a big government progressive Republican. Obama is a Marxist wants to "fundamentally transform" America. What do you think that means? Perhaps you will have in your piece something on George Soros and his connection to Obama. And Brupie is correct the banks should have failed...that's capitalism.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 3 months ago

And a big gold star for Winston the date TARP was passed. Kennedy? Roswell? Really? So you agree on the premise of the article that TARP and therefore Obama failed. Obama is the one that claimed he was the Savior of the world. Another little fact you fail to accept is that much of the money "allocate" and "NOT spent" was spent under Obama. The initial purpose of TARP was to prevent a banking collapse. Obama claimed the hero roll of saving GM and Detroit, which is now facing bankruptcy. The mind is like a parachute...it needs to be open to work.

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

Lions:

You need to heed those words about openeing your mind.

Turn off the "%1" propaganda you rely on and listen to some news and voices not bought and paid for; NPR, "Equal Time Radio", "The Rick Smith Show", "Real News", etc.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 3 months ago

I watch NPR, so according to you my mind must be open. NPR is bought and paid for by the government, i.e. taxpayers. They are like panhandlers on the street holding out their cup by day, and living in Beverly Hills by night. Are these people working on these shows for free? Does Charlie Rose make over $200k - he's a one percenter. Your "fair unbiased" precious little NPR you like to promote is a left wing rag that fired one of your own liberals Juan Williams (like I mentioned before)because he had an "inappropriate thought" that he voiced. All socialists love freedom as long as it is freedom doing or saying something they approve of.

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wba108@yahoo.com Level 7 Commenter 2 months ago

Nicely written Hub! Your logic in this Hub is compelling. As a conservative and a lover of our Constitution, I really want to look more closely into this TARP issue. As a republican it really bothered me when president Bush said that the economy would collapse without this bailout. I tend to agree with you that this bailout was more of a political payoff than anything else. The bailout didn't fix the economy in the short run and we've yet to see the long term effects that the added debt and of major reorganization of industries has on the economy.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

If something cannot be proven to have had an impact and it also cannot be proven not have had an impact the only logical conclusion is that there was no impact. In addition in order to prove TARP worked, credit markets would have been unfrozen immediately, but yet credit markets are still a problem. Pleased you liked it.

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

I was looking back at my old hubs and realize I wrote a piece on why the folks Lions and his fellow act as "Tools" for wanted TARP, etc to fail.

The title, is "Failure--The Only Option".

Read it and weep-- TEA BRAINS.. .

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

Okay Sunshine, What did that hub have to do with TARP? Answer -- NOTHING! Look -- perhaps you have daddy issues or mommy issues, but the fact is that you are a socialist. Got it! However, as far as TARP is concerned, which is what this article discusses (yes, I know it is hard to follow brilliance, but put down the bong and open your eyes and come up from your parents basement)I did NOT support TARP or the Stimulus. None of that worked. And as you have admitted there is NO evidence to support the claim by your little "tool" buddy Obama, that stimulus or TARP spending has done anything other than harm the economy and destroy jobs.

Oh yes, in your world who creates Jobs...the government? How is that working for Greece?

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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

(Obama claimed the hero roll of saving GM and Detroit, which is now facing bankruptcy)

Lions Den Media,

GM bailout has nothing to do with TARP. Nothing. And now GM is profitable. Right or wrong of the act is debatable - but it worked. And of course Obama will claim responsibility for a program that worked - he is a politician and they tell lies to make themselves look good. He is no different in that respect than any Republican politician. The problems in Detroit are indeed problems that are based on the automotive industry - but to blame that on any one politician is just dumb.

You are simply biased against Obama. He's not my favorite, either, but I try quite hard to not let that bias influence my judgement.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

This is not an issue of judgment. I'm not picking a blue suit and deciding whether to with brown shoes. Pointing to bad behavior in order to justify other bad behavior is "dumb" as you so eloquently stated it. In fact, justification of their habitual lying is precisely why these degenerates in politics continually lie...but if someone like Martha Stewart "lies" then it is felonious offense.

I did not BLAME anything on Obama, I merely pointed out that his taking credit is patently offensive and an outright lie.

I'm biased against Obama because he is a buffoon, whose Marxist socialist principles are reprehensible to the point of being Treasonous acts against the State. Obama took an "OATH" to "Protect and Defend the Constitution". Have you ever taken such an oath? I have and I take umbrage with anyone that fails to adequately discharge their duties. You my friend, should be appalled at Obama's conduct. But yet you and your progressive minions promote political ideology is placed before country, whilst claiming others unpatriotic.

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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

(I'm biased against Obama because he is a buffoon, whose Marxist socialist principles are reprehensible)

You are too influenced by the right wing propaganda you listen to - Obama is a centrist. He is about as Marxist as Richard Nixon was. Obama's entire Presidency has been about upholding the status quo.

It is now 2012, not 1776, and we have 50 states instead of 13. And Obama is a centrist.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

Was that Freudian slip comparing Obama to Nixon, the only President to resign in disgrace? We can all hope for such a day that Obama signs off in disgrace!!

First of all you claiming I'm influenced by right wing propaganda...I wrote book!

Give me a break with this "centrist" crap. At least you prove you have a grasp of what century we are living in and the number of states, which is more than I can say for your El Presidente, who believes there are 57 states.

So what is "centrist" about Obama? All of his czars? The fact that he circumvents Congress and hence the Constitution? The fact that he "assassinates" Americans in foreign countries? Obama's unbridled passion for spending more money than all other Presidents combined? Or perhaps Obama shows his centrist leanings when he signs a health care bill nobody wanted? Or it is his use of the IRS to attack Tea Party organizations and other conservatives? Or maybe Obama's centrism is illustrated with his Justice Departments international gun running ring?

Prove Obama is the Centrist you claim, because from where I'm sitting the man is a sandwich short of a commie picnic.

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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

(Prove Obama is the Centrist you claim, because from where I'm sitting the man is a sandwich short of a commie picnic)

If you really believe this, you are just silly. What exactly is liberal about expanding the very powers claimed by the Bush-Cheney administration to suppress human rights because of the war on terror, or about utilizing the existing business/insurance healthcare model to increase the base of policy holders required to pay insurance companies (not the government) premiums and helping to offset costs to the insurance companies with no guarantees the benefits will be passed to consumers, about ignoring the war crimes of Bush and Cheney and by the supporting of the bailouts of independent bankers?

What, pray tell, do you think (other than propaganda) makes those actions communistic?

There is only one political party, and it is not communist - it is oligarchial.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

How many times do I have to say the same thing. I'm the one that said Bush was a big government socialist. I said Bush and Obama are the "two sides of the same coin". "What is liberal about expanding the very powers claimed by Bush-Cheney" -- what isn't liberally progressive about the Patriot Act or NDAA?

War crimes? Please. All nations have the right to go to war, especially when attacked. Did not agree with Iraq predicated on the reason Bush used. I believed the time to attack Iraq was when they used gas to kill 10,000 of their own people. But Iraq was an ally at the time keeping Iran in check. Essentially, Bush attacked the wrong country...he should have gone in to Iran.

As for the business of insurance...the purpose of a single payer is to destroy the "private" insurance sector. A government telling a private company what they will charge, what they will sell, and how they will dispense it is NOT a Democratic Republic. Now you can play games with communist vs. oligarch is irrelevant. It is like defining the word is.

Have you ever considered that there is TOO much dependence on insurance and that less would be more? Private business will "offset costs" via "COMPETITION". What about competition do you not get. Or is competition something that frightens you? Were you one of the kids that was picked last in school for sports and thus simply think competition is discriminatory? Competition, though tough, is good in driving down price and getting the best possible product. For instance, Microsoft is NOT the best software because they control 90 percent of the market. But I don't hear any bitching about Bill Gates.

And as far as bailouts, I was against all bailouts, because bailouts are NOT capitalism -- instead this is what you call an: Oligarchy. So you agree with me that the bailouts were NOT based on CAPITALISM.

But if you must charge Bush with war crimes then you must charge Obama. And if you blame Bush for bailouts of banks you must equally blame Obama. The Point that you make is that you ASSUME for whatever reason in your own mind, that I think Bush is a centrist, therefore, promoting his policies make Obama a centrist. There is no such thing as a centrist. It is something manufactured that describes someone without conviction to a principles that one believes in unrelentingly. And both Bush and Obama believe in Big Government and the nanny state. Centrists are like the "independents" who claim moral, ethical and intellectual superiority because they are NOT bias. But the very fact they set themselves apart indicate they are biased against republicans and democrats.

So please prove by Obama's own actions that he is NOT a Marxist. And do not use other bad activity by Bush to prove your point...you only prove my point that Bush is a big government socialist.

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

AKA:

With Lion's your dealing with someone whos every thought is based on what he hears from the %1.

If only he'd get some news not manipulated by the Koch's etc; CommonDreams, BuzzFlash, TruthOut, Equal Time Radio, The Rick Smith Show, etc

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AKA Winston Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

TeaPartyCrasher,

Well, the key is, as you say, to find unbiased data and then decide for yourself what it means. Today, so many just believe a narrative and discount data that does not match that worldview.

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

Who are these one percenters I'm allegedly listening to? You continually point out Koch whom I don't know, don't read about...they are successful businessmen. Are there any other 1% you refer to because, perhaps I will know them?

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

Lions:

The Devoss's, the Coors, the Scaifes, come to mind.

You need to start reading more sources like TruthOut, CommonDreams and The Real News

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Lions Den Media Hub Author 2 months ago

that's my point, i don't need to read other people's opinions about anything. Nobody is going to tell me what capitalism is or what Liberty means or how wonderful socialism is and how wonderful and brilliant socialists are relative to the Neanderthals whom hold free market capitalist ideals. I've read all of the political and economic philosophers. I read the economic and political data, research reports and listen to what politicians say and then write my own opinion about it. I don't care about Truthout or Fox or any other media's perspective is accept for what the headlines are. I simply do not have the patience to listen to socialist/communist propaganda. I barely make it through a 3 minute speech from Obama. I cannot watch Fox News. 4 seconds of Chis Mathews or any moron from MSNBC or any of the elite media, PBS or these other outlets results in turning off the tv. I merely reject political and corporate lies from crony BS capitalists and I will not listen to anyone trying to spin the message.

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TeaPartyCrasher Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

Then why do you sound like you're following the "%1" line?

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